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Poster: segan63 Date: Oct 4, 2012 3:29pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Online chat with David Lemieux in 30 minutes

Email from earlier this afternoon...

JOIN DAVID LEMIEUX FOR A LIVE CHAT TODAY!

WHO: Grateful Dead archivist and producer David Lemieux

WHAT: Chattin' live on the internet

WHERE: www.ustream.tv/Grateful-Dead or www.facebook.com/gratefuldead

WHEN: Today, Thursday, October 4th at 4:00 PM PT

HOW: Log on to www.ustream.tv/Grateful-Dead or www.facebook.com/gratefuldead to watch the chat and ask your questions live.

You can also tweet your questions to @deadnet on Twitter or post 'em on the wall at www.facebook.com/gratefuldead

DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 4 - FEWER THAN 1,000 LEFT!
Earlier this week we announced that Dave’s Picks Volume 4 would feature the complete show from the College of William & Mary, 9/24/76. We also said you'd probably want to act fast and indeed you should because this highly regarded show, cut from the uncirculated soundboard master reels, is moving fast. Pre-order it here.

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Poster: segan63 Date: Oct 4, 2012 4:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Online chat with David Lemieux in 30 minutes

30 Days of Dead to return for third time this November...

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Poster: segan63 Date: Oct 4, 2012 4:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Online chat with David Lemieux in 30 minutes

From chat: Not many complete shows from before 1972 in the Vault. This would decrease likelihood or frequency of Dave's Picks coming from that era

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Oct 5, 2012 1:10am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Online chat with David Lemieux in 30 minutes

"Not many complete shows from before 1972 in the Vault..."

Did he really say that? What nonsense!

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Poster: segan63 Date: Oct 5, 2012 2:13am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Online chat with David Lemieux in 30 minutes

He said that there were a lot of partial or in cases most but not all of a show. He could see a Pigpen compilation box set coming out someday, but didn't seem soon.

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Oct 5, 2012 3:35am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Online chat with David Lemieux in 30 minutes

There have been hints of a Pigpen compilation for over a decade now...
In any case, many incomplete shows from the early era are begging for the compilation treatment (like, say, a winter-'68 set). But with their new insistence on releasing complete shows, that looks much more unlikely now than in the Dick's Picks days.

But my bafflement with what you wrote is because I just don't think it's true. They have PLENTY of complete shows before '72. (Yes, half of 1970 is gone, but still.) In fact, I think there is more '68/69 in the Vault than there is in circulation.
Now if he said, a lot of it they won't release due to quality issues (like Bear taping on cassettes rather than reels, or flips in bad places, etc), I can understand that. If he said '68-69 doesn't sell well & they've been doing lots of Keith shows cause they sell like hotcakes, I could understand that too.
But an early-era nut like me feels that, even if the number of complete shows was small, their quality & importance is high. They may have only five shows from 1967, but every one of them is worth releasing.

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Poster: Reade Date: Oct 5, 2012 8:05am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Online chat with David Lemieux in 30 minutes

He dismissed '67-'68 pretty casually- 'not much there from then.' He did mention at some length the Avalon shows from Jan '69 but that once they were combed over for consideration where Live Dead was concerned alot was taped over. He said at one point 'you gotta understand tape stock was rare and expensive in those days.'
But the big point he made on that ers gets back to this 'whole show' thing. He said people have to understand sometimes a show is represented in the vault but a reel or two is missing.
Man whoever issued this whole show edict is carrying alot of weight in that organization currently. That much was extremely clear.

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Oct 5, 2012 12:58pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Online chat with David Lemieux in 30 minutes

"Not much there from then!" Well, then it looks like we won't be getting a '60s release anytime soon...

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Poster: Reade Date: Oct 5, 2012 9:00pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Online chat with David Lemieux in 30 minutes

He was quick to mention the May '69 release from Florida when the subject came up, which sounded to my ears like, "Geez we just did one from then!"

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Oct 5, 2012 7:35am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Online chat with David Lemieux in 30 minutes

When they were doing the Road Trips, originally conceived as collections, they would give us fragments form shows that should have been released complete . Now they have Dave's Picks, conceived as a "whole shows " series, they can't give us shows that are fragmentary , or incomplete ...
I always though there was a use for both approaches . I I though that 93 RT was a good idea, the best of 2 nights, in an era where there is interesting stuff, but the shows are "uneven"( to say the least). And for musically more substantial eras, if fragments are all that exist, compile those . Any thing form the early period would be wroth it !
I am a big Keith era fan, so I'm happy, but it worries me that economic concerns might put a clamp, on early, or lesser thought of eras .

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Poster: cosmicharIie Date: Oct 5, 2012 8:26am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Online chat with David Lemieux in 30 minutes

as long as a jam or song is not cut// I'm all for the release of show fragments.

Dave's Friggin-Frag's Vol.One ;-)

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Poster: segan63 Date: Oct 5, 2012 4:50am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Online chat with David Lemieux in 30 minutes

Maybe Lemieux meant that there weren't many complete shows of releasable quality. I'm not sure. I, too, would love to see more 60's material get released, even if it doesn't fit the "complete show" mold...

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Poster: Reade Date: Oct 4, 2012 4:30pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Online chat with David Lemieux in 30 minutes

No 11-19-72 either.

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Poster: segan63 Date: Oct 5, 2012 3:05am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Online chat with David Lemieux in 30 minutes

From chat: Someone also asked Lemieux if they would release a box set like Fall of 73 in 2013 to commemorate the 40th anniversary of those tours. Lemieux responded that he and Rhino weren't very good at anniversaries(Europe 72 being released 39 years after tour or Spring 90 being released 22 years later). He said that if a release worked out to be on a round number anniversary, it would just be a "happy accident". That would seem to say that a Fall 73 box set is not on the immediate horizon, unless Lemieux was just trying to throw us off...

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Poster: cosmicharIie Date: Oct 5, 2012 6:16am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Online chat with David Lemieux in 30 minutes

Dick Latvala's family and many others prob have a lot of missing tapes. I understand many "walked" out of the vault back in the day, before Rhino was involved, so I doubt if they are legal Rhino property.

Keep your eyes peeled for those old-dead-hippy garage and estate sales - lol

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Poster: Deadhead225 Date: Oct 6, 2012 10:17am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Online chat with David Lemieux in 30 minutes

I believe these were all taken back from his house shortly after Dick died.

I have always wanted to go through and make a list of shows that do not circulate in at least listenable quality to determine what might possibly emerge. I am curious as to how many shows this would be.

I just wish folks would have the courtesy to post them here before returning them.

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Poster: segan63 Date: Oct 4, 2012 4:42pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Online chat with David Lemieux in 30 minutes

From chat: Based on my question, David Lemieux confirmed that the Vault has just got another batch of Vault tapes returned to them that they were expecting and that they're very excited about. This will definitely be a release, but didn't give any more hints. I wonder if these are tapes that already circulate.

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Oct 5, 2012 1:13am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Online chat with David Lemieux in 30 minutes

My suspicion is that these may be the early May '77 tapes (Cornell etc). Lemieux has long said that some of these Betty tapes were not in the Vault.

Anyway, if these tapes have spent this long outside the Vault, they're almost certainly in circulation (in pristine quality), but maybe we'll be surprised.

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Poster: segan63 Date: Oct 5, 2012 2:16am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Online chat with David Lemieux in 30 minutes

In my haste to type and listen last night, I mistyped a key point. Lemieux actually said that they received a bunch of Vault tapes that they were NOT expecting and were excited about. This could still be the Spring 77 stuff, but who knows.

He also went on to say that they know that people have some missing tapes of theirs, but that Rhino and Dead will not pay for tapes that are rightfully theirs. No negotiating with terrorists it would seem!

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Poster: Round Robin Date: Oct 5, 2012 4:41am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Online chat with David Lemieux in 30 minutes

How could they be missing a lot of 76-79?

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Poster: segan63 Date: Oct 5, 2012 4:46am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Online chat with David Lemieux in 30 minutes

Not sure how they came to be missing. Perhaps they were part of the Betty tapes that didn't get back into the Vault. We've known for sure for awhile that Cornell 77 is not in the Vault.

That said, I would imagine that they have most of 76-79 in the Vault with some missing here and there.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Oct 5, 2012 1:30pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Online chat with David Lemieux in 30 minutes

I'd like to know why they won't release the rest of the Winterland run that they have on pro video fromt he movie. He said they had planned on it and it never happened.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Oct 5, 2012 3:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Online chat with David Lemieux in 30 minutes

Easy one--I told them to burn that shit and they said "oh--okay".

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Oct 5, 2012 9:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Online chat with David Lemieux in 30 minutes

After watching this, I thought I'd add a few comments on things not mentioned...

I liked the chat - obviously there are limitations; for one, Lemieux is at the mercy of the questions submitted (not too many lame ones here, though) - more importantly, he will not say what is going to be released.

I'm not sure why he's so excited about 9/24/76 since I think there are several better '76 shows left... But maybe the SBD will reveal more subtleties in a rather speedy second set.

He didn't say as much about "not many complete Pigpen-era shows" as I feared - and some of that was referring to 1970 acoustic shows in particular, and some referring to shows that are just missing random reels (I know a few examples).
So actually, it didn't sound like they're avoiding early years; indeed, he said "we'll get there" & made it sound like something might come out in 2013/14.

He was asked about the 1980 acoustic/electric shows, but mentioned that at least a third of the master reels were erased randomly by the Dead (for more taping); so it may be impossible to release a complete Warfield show, but they may do a compilation sometime.
(He also mentioned the erasing of the Jan '69 Avalon reels; but that's not too crucial considering it's so close to the Fillmore West material; as we all know, the Oct '68 and April '69 Avalon shows are enough for two more great releases already.)

He said they've talked a lot about a Pigpen release over the years; if it happens, it will be a multidisc set.

He does make it sound like an Oct/Nov '72 release is due. (He particularly likes 11/15, 11/17 & 11/18.)

It also sounds like we're likely to have a 1991 release with Hornsby.

He said that in the next 30 Days of Dead in November, some tracks will be from non-circulating shows. That's intriguing... (The last two years, it was pretty well-selected stuff.)

He did mention that the Vault got a bunch of tapes back that they didn't even know existed & were very excited about, and we'll hear more about them in a few months. That sounds a lot like an upcoming release...definitely not May '77. (Maybe it's something in an area where there haven't been any soundboards, like early Aug '71 was.)

No videos in the pipeline.

They're not doing shows for download because "we've been busy."

Acid Tests - they have bits & pieces, doesn't feel like they're too releasable.

9/6/80 - no SBD in the Vault. (Many board tapes missing from '79-84.)

8/27/72 - no release in sight; he claims they've been "working on it for years" with the people who own the film, but it's a "complicated situation."

3/29/90 - was excluded from the box set for "no real reason" - apparently they put together the set in a hurry, and since they would have to negotiate the song rights with Branford Marsalis, they decided to skip it.
Promised 3/28 & 3/29 will be on a spring '90 "volume 2" box set, if they do one.

The band was filmed doing a rehearsal in London 1970 (before the Hollywood festival), he talked about watching them rehearse the Candyman vocals.

And, he tells the story about watching Garcia throw down the microphone during Black Peter in 4/3/88. And talks a bit about Dick Latvala; nothing new there.

And lastly, he mentioned that in a couple weeks they will start subscriptions for Dave's Picks vol. 5-8.
I'm thinking about it... After all, there were some 10,000 subscribers this year (w/ a limited edition of 12,000 discs), and the releases were generally solid, so the next round might get completely booked up. It would suck to miss out on some totally uncirculating show that would go to subscribers only...
Hopefully they'll do it differently, though.

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Poster: Reade Date: Oct 6, 2012 10:35am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Online chat with David Lemieux in 30 minutes

Re: 9/24/76
When I saw there was no soundboard of this performance on this site I figured well, there you go.......

I'd love to see Rhino sales figures for
1) Well regarded performances officially released (say Denver '73, Valentines Day '68, 5/15/70 etc.) that were known to be in circulation vs.,
2) Spiffy soundboards of perhaps lesser performances not known to be in much -or any- circulation.

(This whole show thing must be the result of a similar comparison in sales figures).

My hunch is that's the whole sotry of 9/24/76.

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Oct 6, 2012 5:56pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Online chat with David Lemieux in 30 minutes

Lemieux has claimed that past sales figures don't affect his selections.

He also wrote to one person asking about this pick:
"The status of a show being in circulation or not has zero influence on what we release. I didn't even know this didn't circulate until a few weeks ago. Our goal is to release good music only, not fill in gaps in tape traders' collection. This show was picked 100% because it's a great show."
So that's the official line...

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Poster: Reade Date: Oct 7, 2012 8:02am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Online chat with David Lemieux in 30 minutes

Certainly interesting to hear the honorable Mr. Lemieux address the issue, and very specifically at that. As you say, it's the official line and as with all official lines one can take it or leave it as they see fit.
Sounds to me like he doth protest perhaps just a bit much.

There's alot of acreage between 'helping tapers fill gaps in their collections'(an absurd idea from a business perspective that no one to my mind has ever suggested is the way to go, except some of the more rabid collectors no doubt) and more obvious motives related to balance sheets and getting stuff out there that will move crisply off shelves.
And for that matter why can't it be both?' Why can't it be, 'Hey we think this is a smokin' performance that could well be very new to a lot of heads ....' There cannot be anything necessarily wrong from a business perspective with acknowledging certain realities. After all there was no delay to say the least in getting the houseboat tapes out, and from the sound of it the tapes that were recently returned will be coming out in a timely manner. As for future releases that are hypothetically in greater circulation, so what? There are no inherent contradictions to explain, there's just a different narrative to supply as rationale: 'While this performance is known to alot of heads the music here is so phenomenal, has been so highly regarded in the community for so long, it clearly called for remaster and release.......'
The 'I didn't even know until a couple of weeks ago ...' comment sounds defensive. Not something that needs to be said one way or another when you think about it.
I certainly have no beef with DL or the Dave Picks series. He actually seems a cool guy- never heard him speak prior to the live on-line chat the other day. This just has the whiff of something other than... transparency.

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Oct 6, 2012 8:05am
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Was any mention made of the Dec.72' shows? That would be a great 5-show box set.

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Poster: Reade Date: Oct 6, 2012 8:54am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Online chat with David Lemieux in 30 minutes

No. With the question in regard to November '72 he responded by mentioning how with three Sept. '72 releases out there that "Oct.- Nov." was certainly due for a release. That's where the St. Louis Fox Theatre performances in mid-October rolled off his tongue immediately. With respect to the question he talked briefly about the Midwest shows leading up to the swing through Texas in November, and that's where he mentioned the thing about no 11/19.
December came up not at all but I hear ya.

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Oct 6, 2012 10:07am
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That's a shame because there is nothing of note on any of those 3 St. Louis shows to warrant a release,any of the Nov. shows sans 11/14 and possibly 11/12 (unlistenable due to mix we have available) would be preferable.I hold out hope that down the line the powers that be would see that the Dec. run was a unique chunk of GD history with the band at it's peak and should be represented by a box set.

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Poster: billydlions Date: Oct 6, 2012 3:22pm
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All 5 of the December 72 shows would have been a much better box set than spring 1990...I'd take even partial shows with cuts over 1990. Damn shame.

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Oct 6, 2012 3:52pm
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Well,I rarely listen to anything past 78' so I certainly don't have any interest in releases after that,but I understand they have to be open to the entire span of the bands career.What really confuses me is when they put out a weak show from the bands strong years like the first 4 Dave's Picks,I can't see what made any one of them release worthy.
-DP 1-
Promised Land was the only exceptional performance from the entire show.
-DP 2-
To Lay Me Down was the lone highlight.
-DP 3
There wasn't a single special performance from the 10/22 show,the Dark Star from the bonus disc was the only reason to listen to this release.
-DP 4-
The newest has nothing exceptional on it at all.

So I would be thrilled with a Dec. 72' box which was overflowing with brilliant versions of their more challenging material.

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Poster: segan63 Date: Oct 4, 2012 4:31pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Online chat with David Lemieux in 30 minutes

From Chat: Spring 90 Vol. II is a possibility someday using alternate shows from that tour

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Oct 4, 2012 6:55pm
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Yawn.

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Poster: segan63 Date: Oct 4, 2012 4:58pm
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From chat: Lemieux said that if they release something from 84, they might do Syracuse, but didn't sound too likely anytime soon.

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Oct 4, 2012 7:39pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Online chat with David Lemieux in 30 minutes

Thanks for taking the time to share this info segan63,I found the news of tapes being returned and probably released and the Reade's post on 11/19/72 to be of interest.I'm bummed about the Hofheinz show and might be happy about the returned tapes becoming a release.

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Poster: Reade Date: Oct 5, 2012 8:16am
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Yeah I was so disappointed to hear that. Especially since they DO have the night before, 11/18.

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Poster: segan63 Date: Oct 5, 2012 3:01am
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While 11/19/72 is not in the Vault, Lemieux seemed to indicate that an October/November 1972 release is overdue. They have purposely avoided 72 since the Europe 72 box set. However, it seems like we might get a Fall 72 release in 2013.

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Poster: Reade Date: Oct 5, 2012 9:08am
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One of the two Fox Theatre performances in St. Louis might have the inside track as far as this is concerned, based on his comments.